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Research, Strats & Routing • Re: Is sub 1:40 possible on VC?

2015-05-22T23:38:57+01:00

@egg http://puu.sh/hWVh2/dc6d2703cc.jpg intended WR

Statistics: Posted by Bernacaz — 22 May 2015, 23:38

Research, Strats & Routing • Re: Is sub 1:40 possible on VC?

2015-05-09T01:11:37+01:00

baked potato

Statistics: Posted by Egg — 09 May 2015, 01:11

Research, Strats & Routing • Re: Is sub 1:40 possible on VC?

2014-12-05T06:32:00+01:00

well I think VC is one version that the majority of speedrunners don't use, so your competition in it would be a less than say on N64. If the VC was the standard version then it'd have a lot better time than it has now (1:43:22).

Like say the all the exact movements in the current N64 WR at 1:42:41.32 were done on the VC: it would definitely be 1:40 pace (maybe even 1:39 pace) just because the VC is so much faster. But you would have to be at Puncayshun's skill level AND on the VC.

I'm not saying it is impossible but like Joeys said you would pretty much have to go overboard in your speedrunning practice and devote an extremely large amount of time to doing it.

Statistics: Posted by bakedpotato12 — 05 Dec 2014, 06:32

Research, Strats & Routing • Re: Lobby Movement Time Chart

2014-12-04T07:10:42+01:00

Fucked around with the CCM late route (standard 1st basement, of SSL/HMC/LLL then vanish) to see the best lobby order. Guess what, the route everyone has been using is the fastest one (lelelel). But don't even think about doing Dark World early.
Calculated the total lobby movement time for every single combination of the 3 levels + dw, using the numbers of my chart. Then used a little formula of mine to get the optimal slide points. (BOB is never the first stage bcos wingcap).

The final line of each paragraph is the actual level order. All of them start with BOB(1), ending going to the basement.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Route (C) WF,JRB,BOB
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ CCM in between basements = +5.104
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ CCM before up = +7.140

WF-DW-JRB-BOB 16884
+ JRB-S-BOB 0.633
+ WF-S-DW 1.068
WF-S-DW-JRB-S-BOB = 18.585

WF-JRB-DW-BOB 12079
+ JRB-S-DW 0.367
+ -S-WF 2.670
S-WF-JRB-S-DW-BOB = 15.116

WF-JRB-BOB-DW
+ JRB-S-BOB 0.633
+ -S-WF 2.670
S-WF-JRB-S-BOB-DW = 15.281

WF-DW-BOB-JRB 14981
+ WF-S-DW 1.068
+ BOB-S-JRB 1.469
WF-S-DW-BOB-S-JRB = 17.518

WF-BOB-DW-JRB 14581
+ WF-S-BOB 1.067
+ DW-S-JRB 1.502
WF-S-BOB-DW-S-JRB = 17.150

WF-BOB-JRB-DW 17117
+ JRB-S-DW 0.367
+ WF-S-BOB 1.067
WF-S-BOB-JRB-S-DW = 18.551

JRB-DW-WF-BOB 17318
+ JRB-S-DW 0.367
+ WF-S-BOB 1.067
JRB-S-DW-WF-S-BOB = 18.752

JRB-DW-BOB-WF 14448
+ JRB-S-DW 0.367
+ -S-JRB 1.469
S-JRB-S-DW-BOB-WF = 16.284

JRB-WF-DW-BOB 12613
+ WF-S-DW 1.068
+ -S-JRB 1.469
S-JRB-WF-S-DW-BOB = 15.150

JRB-WF-BOB-DW 12779
+ WF-S-BOB 1.067
+ -S-JRB 1.469
S-JRB-WF-S-BOB-DW = 15.315

JRB-BOB-DW-WF 13948
+ JRB-S-BOB 0.633
+ -S-JRB 1.469
S-JRB-S-BOB-DW-WF = 16.050

JRB-BOB-WF-DW 17450
+ JRB-S-BOB 0.633
+ WF-S-DW 1.068
JRB-S-BOB-WF-S-DW = 19.151

Statistics: Posted by SpectreXS — 04 Dec 2014, 07:10

Research, Strats & Routing • Lobby Movement Time Chart

2014-12-03T02:09:33+01:00

Something simple that no one has done before (if they had, lol, then why do people even wonder about "which 120 route has better castle movement") but that can put an end to the optimal route question once and for all (non LBLJ).
Individual comparisons for each route are irrelevant as long as you have this thing. Knowing how much time you lose/gain by lobby movement becomes basically a math problem.

The video I made and times I wrote are >>>NOT<<< optimized at all. I made them for myself as a reference when comparing routes, and as a "model" if anyone/group of people want to compile the sick lobby movement strats and make an improved version of this chart.
Segments were made using two frames off of the first movement one and last one that mario isn't touching the door.
EDIT: The chart is how much it takes from (line) to (column). Mirror and impossible (DW->UP) times are "0.000"

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ9Ac_5PBwQ[/youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ9Ac_5PBwQ

I put the chart as a image at the start of the video... sorry, I'm ridiculously illiterate on html or whatever so I can't space this correctly >_< here it is anyway just because why the hell not. Looks better in notepad with "tab" spaces
. . . . . BOB . . CCM . . DW . . .WF . . .JRB . . Slide . . UP . . .BAS
mid->2.769- 2.135 -2.903 -2.269 -2.436 -3.136 -2.035 -1.835
BOB->0.000- 1.335 -1.568 -3.670 -4.404 -3.437 -2.469 -1.502
CCM->1.201-0.000 -2.269 -3.203 -3.904 -4.104 -3.170 -0.934
DW-->1.235- 1.602 -0.000 -3.237 -3.804 -2.870 -0.000 -1.468
WF-->3.904- 3.303 -4.037 -0.000 -1.401 -2.202 -3.070 -0.868
JRB->3.871- 3.303 - 4.271 -1.435 -0.000 -1.735 -3.036 -1.635
min. 4middle(BAS,BAS,Slide,Slide/WC), 2BOB, 1CCM, 1DW, 1WF, 1JRB, 1to UP, 2to slide, 2to BAS

Even with that will people still use routes just based on level preferences? Obviously. But you can at least eliminate the shit movement ones and know the time differences.
Didn't even do "to middle" (with lobby light on) timings, if someone wants to do wingcap after non-slide. Cause that's just dumb. pc.

Statistics: Posted by SpectreXS — 03 Dec 2014, 02:09

Research, Strats & Routing • Re: JP vs. US on Mupen64

2014-11-16T13:03:47+01:00

DAMN

Statistics: Posted by GothicLogic — 16 Nov 2014, 13:03

Research, Strats & Routing • Re: JP vs. US on Mupen64

2014-11-15T04:51:41+01:00

It seems like there's no entry in the doc for the text in Snowman's Lost His Head in CCM. I don't know the frames, but on JP the first text has 3 boxes and the second has 2 boxes, while on English the texts each have 1. Unless I've somehow overlooked it in the doc, it seems like JP overall saves less than 2 seconds.

Statistics: Posted by Elminster — 15 Nov 2014, 04:51

Research, Strats & Routing • Re: New Log Skip Time Save in TTM

2014-10-10T23:06:59+01:00

Sick find man!

Statistics: Posted by dj0nk — 10 Oct 2014, 23:06

Research, Strats & Routing • New Log Skip Time Save in TTM

2014-10-10T08:16:40+01:00

I found this a few weeks back and I was suggested to post this here. So here is my log skip time saver in TTM. I am not sure how much time it would save compared to using the log but, I would guess maybe around 3 seconds but, this could be used multiple times in a run to save more time. Warning: Audio is kinda loud.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqiGr0IdCUw

You obviously do not need to use my camera setup that just makes it easier. This has a backup strat and a backup strat for the backup strat. If you do not get enough distance and hit the wall you can just do a 2nd/3rd frame wallkick and drift back to grab the ledge. If you try and do the backup strat and get a first frame you can drift and dive to get to the log to recover.

I am interested in seeing people's thoughts on this time save and optimizing it if possible. :)

Statistics: Posted by Vesne — 10 Oct 2014, 08:16

Research, Strats & Routing • Re: Is sub 1:40 possible on VC?

2014-09-12T00:27:16+01:00

VCVCVC

Statistics: Posted by Kyman — 12 Sep 2014, 00:27

Research, Strats & Routing • Re: Small possible time safe in BitS reds?

2014-08-17T22:54:10+01:00

Looks slower but good thought

Statistics: Posted by Seanzy — 17 Aug 2014, 22:54

Research, Strats & Routing • Re: A couple alternative strats (DDD100 and WF)

2014-08-09T02:48:31+01:00

wk for ddd100 is slower than tjdive, and unless your name is bebopbandit, most people find the tjdive easier anyway. the wk strat is pretty much used as a backup like you said http://youtu.be/lXk8eR4FoQw?t=33m27s

Statistics: Posted by toastrider — 09 Aug 2014, 02:48

Research, Strats & Routing • Re: Starting Timer Late

2014-08-07T11:44:50+01:00

GothicLogic wrote:
thelegendarymudkip wrote:
ClysmiC wrote:Everyone knows that the game doesn't start until you hear the sound.

I play with my game muted, does that mean I have 0.00 in all categories?

Only emu scrubs like yourself wouldn't know what he meant by the sound.

Since it's around ~2 minutes faster in 120 star, I'd like to know where your 2:00 N64 120 star time is

Statistics: Posted by thelegendarymudkip — 07 Aug 2014, 11:44

Research, Strats & Routing • Re: Starting Timer Late

2014-08-07T05:39:29+01:00

thelegendarymudkip wrote:
ClysmiC wrote:Everyone knows that the game doesn't start until you hear the sound.

I play with my game muted, does that mean I have 0.00 in all categories?

Only emu scrubs like yourself wouldn't know what he meant by the sound.

Statistics: Posted by GothicLogic — 07 Aug 2014, 05:39

Research, Strats & Routing • Re: Starting Timer Late

2014-08-07T05:04:27+01:00

ClysmiC wrote:
Everyone knows that the game doesn't start until you hear the sound.

I play with my game muted, does that mean I have 0.00 in all categories?

Statistics: Posted by thelegendarymudkip — 07 Aug 2014, 05:04